[whataretheysaying] Mary Madigan: Restricted speech

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Restricted speech
http://whataretheysaying.powerblogs.com/posts/1160676969.shtml


   Judith at Kesher Talk has a [1]recap of the [2]2 ex-terrorists and a
   former Nazi discussion at Columbia University that [3]about a hundred
   people were barred from last night:

     The second speaker, Hilmar von Campe, also is a devout Christian
     who now lives in Alabama. He was 7 years old in 1933 when the Nazis
     came to power. His father was a state official of some sort who was
     ousted by the Nazis and relocated to an area that is now one of the
     Czech states. He reminded the audience that the National Socialist
     German Workers Party (Nazi party) was far left. Josef Goebbels, the
     chief liar, said We are Communists. Hitler eliminated all other
     parties, trade unions, youth organizations, etc. All young people
     had to join the Hitler Youth. Newspapers, radio, and the film
     industry were controlled by the Nazis. In school, there were jokes
     about religion and God, and constant rhetoric about how bad the
     Jews are and how good the Germans are.

     On 9/1/39, Hitler reported that the Poles had invaded Germany and
     that Germany had to defend itself. Although he and his circle hated
     the Nazis, all felt that they had to defend Germany first and deal
     with the Nazis second. He said that many people were unaware of the
     Holocaust, but that everyone was aware of the discrimination
     against and unhuman treatment of Jews and all kept silent,
     including the churches. He said he became a liar too. He also said
     that in 1972, the KGB and Andropov adopted a policy of turning the
     entire Islamic world against Israel and the United States. During
     Q&A, he cited as his source a book, Red Horizons, by a defecting
     Rumanian general.

     Walid Shoebat pursued that theme. His father was Palestinian, his
     mother an American who naively went to the Middle East to visit her
     husband's family and was trapped there with her children for 35
     years. He said that Muslims fought on the Nazi side in World War II
     and murdered the Jews of Bosnia. He said that he was educated to
     believe that Jesus was a Palestinian revolutionary who came to
     liberate Palestinians from Zionist oppressors, that Jews spread Mad
     Cow disease, cause tsunamis, etc. He translated Jihad as Mein
     Kampf. He is a convert to Christianity. He also said during the
     question period that when Muslims are at least 20% of a population,
     they are obliged to seize state power. He also said that Muslims do
     not believe in the separation of church and state.

     The question period was better than I expected. The questioners
     were somewhat critical but they did not rant. The answers were
     generally to the point, despite some language problems. The
     speakers were fairly critical of Jews and others who think
     appeasement can bring peace. Walid pointed out that the word hudna,
     usually translated as truce or ceasefire, actually means
     strategically taking time off from fighting to regroup and obtain
     concessions. Muslims feel no obligation to tell the truth to
     non-Muslims. When criticized for hate speech, they responded that
     they were criticizing Islam, not Muslims individually.

     Walid had said at one point that Muslims should have a right to
     convert to Christianity, that Jews should have a right not to
     convert to Christianity, etc. A couple of questioners interpreted
     him as saying that Muslims should convert to Christianity. He
     straightened that out. Some questioners asserted that moderate
     Muslims do not believe all those bad things. Anani said, if you
     think your imam is moderate, ask him what would happen if his son
     converted to Christianity.

   Pamela at [4]Atlas Shrugs has more, including must see videos of the
   speakers.

References

   1. http://www.keshertalk.com/archives/2006/10/columbiashoebat4.php
   2. http://www.2xtn.com/
   3. http://www.keshertalk.com/archives/2006/10/columbiashoebat3.php
   4. http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2006/10/walid_shoebat_t.html