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Sat Aug 12 12:45:05 EDT 2006
Quoted:
Hi Dean,
First of all, I agree with your comments and overall views on the
right wing and Islam. I came across your "calling out Michelle
Malkin" post by accident, but read it all. You are right.
I was only disappointed (to get right to the nitty gritty) that you
first said opposing Muslims is like opposing Southeast Asians, for
example, and then immediately getting Southeast Asia wrong. You
would be very surprised to find a mosque in Cambodia? Be prepared
to be surprised a few hundred times.
Islam is extremely important in Cambodian history, and there are
many dozens, probably a few hundred mosques there. Again to be
brief, Islam came to Cambodia through the Cham people. They were
targetted by the Khmer Rouge, a huge percentage was killed and
others became refugees, chiefly to Malaysia.
But the Cham have revived and are very active in the national life,
including politics. Their population centre is very near Phnom
Penh, which has several mosques of its own.
You may know somewhere in the back of your head that Indonesia is
the world's most populous Muslim country. Islam is a hugely
important religion in Southeast Asia, and no country is without an
important and vibrant Muslim community, including many, many
mosques.
The Cham, by the way, are important in Vietnam as well. Thailands
very different Muslim groups come from Java (the South), conversion
(Bangkok) and China and India (Chiang Mai). Chinese Muslims, who
dominate the northwest, are from central Asia/Persia.
Alan Dawson Thailand
p.s. The Muslim population of the US is generally estimated at
roughly 7 million, well over double the 1 percent you quote.
Obviously the base is small and skews the numbers, but Islam *is*
the fastest growing religion in the United States.
p.p.s. My chief researcher Mr Google informed me in 0.32 seconds
that the Muslim Association of Iceland (only for Sunni Muslims) had
341 members in 2005. Now the MAI claims that there are 700 to 1,000
Muslims in Iceland.
My response:
Hello Alan. First off I hope you realize I get over 100 emails a
day, which is the only reason I'm only answering your 2 weeks
later.
I don't think I got southeast Asia wrong actually. I just did not
feel that getting into Islam in that region was productive in that
discussion. I am well aware that a LOT of people in that area are
Muslim. Historically my guess is that this is because of the Mongol
Empire, but I haven't traced it. Anyway, I'm fully aware that it's
there. I wasn't aware just how big it was in Cambodia (which is
after all a pretty small country) but I am not in the least
surprised to hear that it is or was once popular there. I certainly
know about Indonesia, which is both the largest Muslim country in
the world AND the largest Muslim democracy in the world. I have
written about this many, many times actually--just search
deanesmay.com on "indonesia" and you'll see that I've posted a
boatload about it, including the horrible problems they're having
right now with Salafists and other radicals.
On the other hand: your estimate of 7 million Muslims in the US is
highly questionable. The US Census Bureau has never attempted to
answer this question (which would be definitive) and other
estimates are, frankly, guesstimates. And they also get into tricky
territory. Just for example, are members of the Nation of Islam
really Muslims by the standards most Muslims would recognize? My
guess is no, that most mainstream Muslims would consider them odd
American cultists. But others would disagree. The source of my
guess of 1% comes from Zogby, who is a non-Muslim Arab but a
respected American pollster. Groups like CAIR like the bigger
numbers, but they have political reasons for preferring bigger
numbers.
My reading leads me to believe it's only a couple of millions,
which would put my 1% figure as roughly correct. But please educate
me if you think you've got stronger numbers.
And let me be clear: I live in an area with a high concentration of
Muslims (very near Dearborn, MI) and do business with Muslims
semi-regularly. I also have two Muslim co-bloggers. None of that
makes me an expert of course but should immunize me against any
claims that I am somehow trying to marginalize this community. I
also have many friends in the gay community but have long
questioned the figures of some gay rights groups who claim that 1
in 10 Americans are gay, when most of the best data I've seen puts
them at a more realistic-seeming 2-3%.
I'll probably reprint our correspondence by the way, but not if you
strongly object, and I will otherwise obscure your email address
unless you prefer otherwise.
Dean
After further correspondence with John, he agreed to let me reprint
this useful exchange.
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